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2. Cum functioneaza macazul cu o patina? Ce face soferul ca sa actioneze directa si ce face sa actioneze abaterea?

Uneori, troleibuzul din spate il putea gresi pe cel din fata, prin actionarea patinei de directa cand cel din fata a comutat pe abatere; de regula, insa, soferul se oprea la o distanta suficient de mare fata de primul senzor pentru ca, odata ce troleibuzul din fata a trecut de macaz, acesta sa poata accelera serios.

Macazul cu o singura patina are mai multe avantaje, pentru care a fost preferat in multe orase. In primul rand, creste viteza generala de circulatie. La acest tip de macaz nu se comuta pe principiul "directa" sau "abatere", ci pe principiul flux dominant / flux secundar. Adica, pozitia implicita a macazului (pentru care nu trebuie actionata patina, si pe care macazul revine automat dupa trecerea unui vehicul pe cealalta directie) poate fi fie linia directa, fie abaterea, dar reprezinta intotdeauna directia pe care traficul inregistreaza valoarea cea mai mare. In acest fel, majoritatea soferilor nu sunt nevoiti sa actioneze macazul, doar sa ridice piciorul de pe acceleratie la trecerea pe patina. Soferii care trebuie sa actioneze macazul, cei de pe fluxul mai scazut, trebuie doar sa fie atenti ca pe macaz sau inaintea acestuia sa nu mai fie un alt vehicul, sa astepte dupa caz iesirea acestuia din zona, inaintea patinei. Exista un risc legat de neatentia in momentul actionarii patinei, dar acest risc este mult mai mic decat in cazul a doua patine, in plus este mai mica si distanta cu restrictie de viteza. Soferii trebuie sa cunoasca care e pozitia implicita a macazului (stabilita de conducerea intreprinderii), iar rolul semnalelor cu sageti se reduce la acela de a informa soferul daca trecerea peste patina a avut sau nu efectul dorit.

Pana la urma este o chestie de optimizare. Ma surprinde faptul ca la Cluj nu s-a incercat aceasta varianta.


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Sistemul de actionare a macazelor electrice prin doua patine este folosit la Cluj Napoca, dar si la Timisoara, Piatra Neamt, Galati, Targu Jiu, Baia Mare, Ploiesti, Constanta.

Acest sistem a fost folosit, de asemenea, la Iasi, Braila, Targoviste, Slatina, Satu Mare.


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Inca niste completari. Macaze cu doua patine au existat si in Bucuresti.

La noile macaze din Bucuresti cu o singura patina nu se mai utilizeaza o directie implicita. Initial acestea aveau senzori optici care comandau readucerea macazului in pozitia implicita dupa trecerea troleibuzului. Din cauza gresajului acesti senzori erau adesea obturati iar macazul se bloca. Acum macazul ramane pe ultima pozitie comandata, pana este nevoie ca un troleibuz sa comande schimbarea acestuia. Evident, in acest caz prezenta indicatorului optic (sageata) e obligatorie.


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In Ploiesti au avut 3 macaze cu 2 patine care au luat foc dupa 1-2 actionari si cele 2 existente in prezent au doar o singura patina de comanda.
In Targoviste sistemul a fost mai complicat: patina pentru comandarea macazului pe linie abatuta (secundara) se afla in fata macazului iar cea pentru directia implicita, dupa macaz pe linia abatuta. Acest sistem a fost ales deoarece macazele erau actionate in directiile secundare doar de cateva ori pe zi.


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Vehicul de interventii la reteaua electrica. Este montat si captatorul pt. gresarea firului contact.

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Piata Mihai Viteazu.

Reteaua dinspre gara, folosita de traseul 1 (si fostul troleibuz 9).


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Piata Mihai Viteazu. Intersectia cu str. Regele Ferdinand.

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Str. Regele Ferdinand. Intersectia cu reteaua troleibuzului 1, Piata Mihai Viteazu.


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Piata Mihai Viteazu. Dinspre str. Regele Ferdinand, reteaua fostelor troleibuze 2, 5 si 8.


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Aici a fost macazul electric (sustinut de consola) pt. reteaua spre Piata Mihai Viteazu, de care vorbeam in mesajele anterioare.


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Str. Regele Ferdinand.

Au aparut stalpi ce sustin reteaua de troleibuz. Macazul mecanic din imagini era folosit de troleibuzele traseului 9.


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Str. Memorandumului.

Macaz electric ce era folosit de troleibuzele traseului 9 (ce mergea la gara) si 25 (ce intra prin Piata Mihai Viteazu). Macazul este acum "pe direct", sensul spre bul. 21 Decembrie 1989, patinele de actionare a macazului fiind demontate.


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Calea Motilor.

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134, 107, 061


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Calea Manastur.

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